335 – Meet NBC’s “Making It” Master Maker Adam Kingman

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Today's show is all about winning my guests.

Just one big $100,000

big for that matter.

He's the latest master maker from this season's NBC show making

it. Did you watch,

oh my gosh.

So many unbelievably creative makers,

the ideas they come out with and the end products are

incredible. The out of the box,

thinking the risks to push their creativity beyond the limits.

It's such a fun show.

And if you haven't seen it,

you can still go back and catch the show now because

it's available on demand.

It's fun to hear the behind the scenes of being on

the show and you're going to get all of that,

but I want you to be a winner too,

by taking away new ideas or inspiration that you can apply

to your business.

That's always my goal with each podcast episode.

And you'll see that I had you in mind the entire

time with my line of questioning.

We dive deep into things that I know you give thought

to regularly,

the creative side of being a maker and all that comes

with that from an emotional and tactical creative level.

Let's turn now and shine the spotlight on our featured master

maker. I am so excited to introduce you to Adam Kingmen.

Adam is the most recently titled master maker.

He's the winner from season.

Three's making it show hosted by Amy Poehler and Nick Hoffman.

Adam is an industrial designer and creative director from lake Tahoe.

Growing up the mountains were his playground influencing his stewardship of

the planet and resourcefulness of craft with recycled and retired materials.

Adam is a modern day MacGyver using designing,

thinking to create simple,

intuitive solutions outside of work.

Adam loves to write stories,

direct short films and explore the Sierras.

Adam believes we're all just kids at heart and imagination is

our finest resource.

His dream is to be a Disney Imagineer and someday a

design professor,

Adam, welcome to the gift biz unwrapped podcast.

Hi Sue.

Thank you so much for that intro.

I was like tearing up.

I was like,

oh my gosh,

I've never heard anybody read it with like heart.

So thank you and great to be here.

I love what you do.

And as we were talking about in the pre chat a

little bit,

all of our listeners are right in line with you.

So I am super excited to get into the conversation,

but I have to delay it for just a short second,

because I'm going to have you participate in what has become

a tradition on this show.

And that is having you describe yourself in a little bit

of a different way through a motivational candle.

So if you were to share with us what a candle

would look like,

that speaks all about you,

Adam, what color is it?

And what would be a quote or a saying on your

candle? Such a good question.

The candle would be yellow.

Yellow is my favorite color because it is the color of

warmth of sunshine,

of happiness and the girl next door when I was five

years old and she was five years old,

she told me her favorite color was yellow.

And we have since grown up and she is the bravest

woman I know,

and my color has to this day remained yellow.

So it always reminds me of her.

And my quote would be enjoy the process because I believe

process is the most important thing.

And the older we get,

the more we think about perception and presentation and we lose

sight of why we did anything in the first place was

simply because we love the process.

And that's what I want my candle to remind you and

everybody who sees it,

Hey, do it because you love it.

You love every step of the way,

regardless of the outcome or the presentation.

Yes. I love that.

Enjoy the process.

And you know,

it's so easy to forget that because we get so involved

in taken up with like what our goals are,

forgetting that what you're doing along the way and those small

points of success and appreciation and interaction with people and all

of that.

You don't want to lose that because that's the gold.

Exactly. I'm sure Winning master maker is amazing.

That's what you were going for.

But being able to work with other contestants,

just this whole process of going through the journey with the

show and all of that was steps that I'm sure you

got a lot from along the way,

too. Absolutely.

And you bring up such a good point and it's not

often a question I get asked about the show,

but there are ideas I have we're on the show.

We're told the challenge ready,

set, go,

or now make it right.

The catch phrase.

And you know,

I start thinking through ideas and there were times where I

knew what I wanted to make.

I had this idea,

I had the vision,

the outcome,

but then I go,

wait a minute.

I don't actually want to make this.

I wouldn't have fun making this.

Like Nick and Amy would come over and they'd be like,

out of it looks like you're having a bad day.

I'm just foreseeing this happening.

And I'm like,

well, yeah,

because I don't actually like stained glass.

I would rather be doing this.

And so I catch myself and go,

Hey, even if I don't finish,

what would I love to make every minute of this show

and you're spot on,

correct. Love it.

It is the gold.

And that's where you really add your heart and your spirit

and your passion.

And it's got to reflect on what comes out through your

hands, through the creativity too.

Yeah. All right.

Well, let's back it up for a second.

Share with me a little bit about how you became a

maker by passion or profession or wherever you want to start

with that.

Sure. Good question.

I think growing up in lake Tahoe,

I lived in the woods and I was always just tinkering,

building forts,

building snow caves.

And I loved creating spaces and architecture rooms houses like anything

that I could put myself in would fascinate me because you

could create a whole experience and that's very much large-scale,

but small scale,

I also loved creating the objects within the space and how

much joy would be created by interacting with certain things in

my life.

Like I was very picky,

very selective,

very interested in,

you know,

the way things have made me feel and ultimately curiosity as

well. I just love to figure things out,

take them apart,

put them back together and understand how they worked and growing

up now I'm,

let's say 18 and I'm in college and I stumbled into

the design major at university of Washington.

I always thought I wanted to be an architect.

Right. Cause that's what I understood.

That's what I thought I liked.

And I still do like,

but I had never heard of design and I take this

class and I fall in love with it right away,

because it's all about what is objective versus subjective.

How do you solve a problem?

How do you create something that makes people feel a certain

way? And every question I had always wondered growing up with

suddenly being answered,

I didn't even know what questions to ask,

but I'm being told things that I've always wanted to know

which is all about designing products and spaces and objects that

are understandable,

intuitive that make you feel good.

That bring you joy.

Are you using that today in your professional career?

Yeah. My day job is I'm an industrial designer at a

consultancy and creative consultancy in San Francisco.

So it's a mix,

big mix of projects.

And I still have creative inches on the weekends to take

photos or direct short films or be a little sillier.

I just love working with my hands and working with people

who think like me and who don't think like me,

it's such a creative world.

And that curiosity kind of pulls me into all sorts of

scenarios. I've got to say,

I know for sure that we have listeners here who just

like, from what you're describing,

you've always had that creative vein running through you.

It gives you joy and fulfillment and all of that.

And you've been very fortunate because you've been able to continue

that on as you've gotten to be an adult in your

professional career and all.

And so many people that I know are listening,

have done other things for their profession,

become bankers or realtors,

name it,

you know,

whatever it is,

but now are gravitating back to the,

making the craft and things that they enjoy and trying to

kind of discover what's possible for them as they continue on

either in addition to what their quote unquote professional job is,

or possibly transitioning even into a business around whatever their creative

art is.

So we're in the same group,

Adam right here.

I love hearing though,

that you were able to move this into your professional life

too. And I know you have big visions for the future

as well,

which is amazing.

I've watched the whole season.

So I have known you from the beginning when you first

appeared on the show and it seems to me,

first of all are like a magnet for people.

I mean,

everyone adored you so much on the show and you're also

kind of a sensitive guy,

aren't you?

Why are you laughing?

I guess I am sensitive.

That's a new descriptor for me sensitive,

but yeah,

I do.

I feel right.

Things, you know,

emotions are a gift and if we listen to them,

that can be a huge asset.

Right? Well,

that was kind of where I was getting at with the

question is,

do you see yourself using that?

Like what you're feeling and what you're sensing and all of

that as you apply it to your creativity?

Yeah. That's such a good question.

I go back to like the rules of good design,

right? Good design.

Not only does it satisfy a function,

but it also makes you feel things.

Does it make you feel frustrated,

angry, upset?

Does it make you feel seen or understood?

Does it make you feel nothing?

Right? It almost disappears.

Like some people say good design is almost invisible because you

don't even notice that it's there.

And I just remember being on the show and the judges

would give us the criteria of what they're looking for.

And I would always add in a few more bullet points

for my own personal goals,

right? So if nobody was in this barn with me,

what would I make?

Like what would I love to have walked away with at

the end of the day?

And I would always add in can't really want it to

be interactive.

You have to be able to touch it.

You have to be able to push and pull or sit

or step into something.

So interactive first and foremost,

second, there has to be an element of surprise.

There also has to be something emotive and there has to

be story and always would try to integrate just a little

bit more into it.

And we look to our past for inspiration.

I believe we know what we love and that exists in

our memories because they stand out.

And so how do we pull from memories to create something

special? And so I think certainly a sensitivity and our emotions,

if we want them to can play really strongly.

And that goes back to what you were saying in the

beginning is it has to be something that I'm enjoying making.

And then the result is going to be the best,

which includes emotion,

past experience,

what your interests are at the time.

And now we know that you added additional goals on top

of yourself,

so super achiever,

but that was what made you happy and continued making you

challenged at all.

So we have to start now from how did you get

involved with making it,

how did this whole thing come about?

Sure. So this is now mid pandemic and my sister and

I are both home in Tahoe.

And my sister Abby starts watching this show called making it.

I had no idea what it was,

but quickly found myself with my sister.

It was our nightly ritual.

We would watch making it,

we loved it.

We got so involved and I remember being so inspired by

Justine and Justy and their creative approach and almost abstract presentations.

I loved it.

I had never seen something like that on TV before.

And I turned to my sister and I go,

oh, this looks like so much fun.

And my sister goes,

I would have fun watching you on this show.

I give her some side-eye and I go,

what, what do you mean?

She's like,

I think you'd be great on the show.

I was like,

huh. Okay.

I don't think they're looking for a guy like me.

I don't really have a thing.

I kind of just like to make cribbage boards with scrap

wood, but maybe we'll see.

And so Google casting call making it season three,

find the portal,

make a little video and submit an application.

And a few weeks later,

get a call back.

And a couple of months later,

next thing I know I'm in the barn with the makers

and we're making,

Was it surreal for you that you were there from this

idea, sitting with your sister watching to actually then being on

set had to be crazy.

It's wild.

Cause you're watching through the TV right here.

You're watching this thing and suddenly you're in it.

It's real.

And it's around you.

And it just was so fascinating and so wonderful.

And I loved watching Nick and Amy and I have never

been around actors or actresses before.

Right. Entertainment.

That's a whole world.

I know nothing about,

but to be around these two characters who are not just

entertainers, but like really,

really good entertainers,

right. They know how to read the room.

They know how to give people joy and laughter and I

found myself just so enamored watching them perform and then work

and the improv that they do and the way that they

can just have these beautiful conversations and joke around as I'm

like crocheting,

I'm sitting there crocheting like front row seat to an improv

theater. It was wild.

So yes.

Surreal is a great word.

Well, an added bonus that you weren't expecting,

I guess,

but Adam,

why didn't you think that it should be,

you, you know,

you were saying when your sister first suggested it,

you're like,

I don't know,

like me,

why would it be me?

Why would they want someone like me?

Why would you think that?

I guess I didn't think it would be me because I

have a hard time explaining what I do.

And I don't really have a thing.

I suppose we always feel like we have to have a

thing or a certain craft or a certain medium.

We have to commit to one thing and that's it.

And if we're a Jack of all trades,

then we're actually kind of useless,

which I believe the complete opposite.

Right? Like the more skills you have or materials,

methodologies are familiar with that's when you have fun.

Cause that's when you can start merging unlikely mediums and you

create these outcomes that you would never expect.

I just thought the show wanted somebody a little craftier.

I don't know what crowd.

I don't know.

Well, you know,

Well, it's interesting that you say that though.

Well, first off and the reason I wanted to ask you

that question is I think there are a lot of us

who make things who don't feel like we have what it

takes or we're not enough,

like, or it can be other people,

but it can't be us.

And then look,

you had that initial thought and now you're the master maker.

I bring it up for everybody listening who would go along

that line of thinking.

And there's no reason it can't be any of us,

except when we stand in our own way.

Because look,

if you wouldn't have gone through and just said,

oh, I'm going to apply.

Let you know,

we'll see what happens.

You know,

if you didn't do that,

someone else would be master maker.

So it was just putting yourself out there,

believing in yourself just enough,

you know,

just enough to take that action,

to see what could happen.

Yeah. I love that.

And look at you now.

And then I'm going to say one other thing.

When you say like everyone has to stand for one thing,

you know what I see you standing as the modern day

MacGyver, you know,

that is your thing.

No, because you're taking all these different types of things.

Every single thing you make is different,

but you're applying your same skills.

And that is what makes you,

you, that is your special thing.

If that makes sense and pulling from the environment,

no matter what the end result is,

it might be all different types of pieces and products and

sheds and everything else.

But it's still coming from that same source of inspiration,

right? So I'm saying you have a thing at them already.

Yeah. What I love about you bringing what guy for backup

is, and again,

you ask like,

why not me?

And I go,

I don't have a wood shop.

I don't have a studio.

I don't have a laser cutter.

I don't have a sewing shop.

Like I don't have all these tools that I think what

I assume a master maker would have.

I am always on the road.

I'm here and there and I travel light and I don't

necessarily have all these tools,

literally in my duffel bag,

I have a pocket knife and maybe a crochet hook.

And I let that prevent me from feeling.

I have a place on that show,

which as you said,

I just acted on that feeling of,

Hey, who knows?

Maybe I have something different to offer.

I think that was the push of,

okay, this may not go anywhere,

but gosh,

wouldn't it be cool to meet Nick Offerman?

That was it.

It was like,

I just want to meet Nick.

And you know,

maybe they won't pick me for the show.

Maybe Nick Offerman will see my application video and be like,

like high school.

And I'll never hear back,

but maybe I made him laugh.

That was like,

step one,

right? Like,

oh, step one,

let's just do this.

And we'll see where it,

And it's also much more like,

you know,

I'm so proud of you and so excited and happy for

you that you did that.

This is something I want everybody to think of is we

limit ourselves.

You know,

what's possible.

If we just don't stand in our own way,

you can become a star like Adam,

I Want to emphasize what you say of,

we get in the way of our own opportunity.

We dismiss ourselves,

which is so silly.

I often have to remind myself,

Hey, these ideas,

the ideas in my head,

they're invitations to create their opportunities.

And if I don't act on these ideas,

I feel like it's a disservice to myself.

It's a disservice to the world,

right? For some reason,

these things are in my head.

I should share them because nobody knows that they're up there.

And maybe somebody might resonate with this strange dream I had

or this impulse,

this thought I had driving from Seattle to Tahoe.

And the more I act on these silly ideas,

the more people are like,

wait, I resonate with that too.

And I go,

oh my gosh.

Cool. Okay.

I'll listen to those impulses.

Those feelings a little more.

Yeah. I love what you said.

The ideas in my head are an invitation to create.

I love that.

Yeah. It's beautiful.

Nobody knows what's in your head until you let it out.

It was so funny.

I like this conversation.

You're bringing up thoughts that I have long forgotten about.

I remember episode one on the theme of like getting in

your own way,

tripping on yourself.

I remember they said make a family portrait.

I'm like,

Ooh, what if I made portraits of my family?

And I used like cards or baseball cards.

I'm just going to use like objects.

I remember thinking don't do that.

That's stupid.

Everyone else is going to do that too.

Like the skin skill look like everyone else's and I drew

up a few other ideas,

but I had to act quick and I had to move

fast. And so I just ran outside and made those baseball

portraits. And then the clock was up.

They call time.

And I remember seeing everybody else's and done like holy smokes.

They're all so different.

Everybody thinks so uniquely.

And I kind of was kicking myself,

going, okay,

get out of your head out of like,

don't dismiss your first ideas.

Like, Hey,

that first idea you have,

it's often just waiting to come out.

So go with it,

see where it goes.

Yeah, absolutely.

Well, and this you've walked me perfectly into another conversation I

want to have with you.

And that is okay.

Here you are on the show.

And I'm going to just describe it a little bit for

anybody who hasn't seen the show,

but you're given an assignment and you're given,

let's just go with the last one,

which was the stats,

right? Or the porches were so fun to those porches.

Well, we'll stay with the shots.

So you're given a shed.

So everyone starts with the same base piece.

I guess I'll call it.

These are full life sheds.

They're not like a little mock up on a table for

anyone who seen the show yet.

And then there's like a place you go to pull any

product that you want to use to make your shed.

Right. And you get certain things that you're going to be

judged on,

which is how they're going to rank and decide who the

winner is for that project.

Right? So you find all of this out,

like within the second.

And then you have to go running to decide what you

want to pull back and use for your project.

How does your mind work?

Like you find out what you're doing.

You find out what you're going to be judged with.

You're running to a set of items.

How does all of that work in your creative mind?

Adam, are you thinking of what you're designing first?

Or are you running into the pile and seeing what's there

and then developing it?

How does that work?

It intrigues me that you can do that so fast.

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Thank you.

That's such a good question.

I have a few different ideas popped into my mind as

you're asking that,

and I have two things.

One is the brain Rolodex and the two is the scrap

pile. And if I forget to touch either one of those

feel free to loop it back in.

But first I want to talk about the brain Rolodex.

This is what I call the internal pinup board that we

all have in our mind.

I feel like we often feel like an idea just happens

on the spot,

you know,

and just,

we just get this spark of inspiration right away.

And it happens.

And sometimes that happens.

But I think often we observe and we just start collecting

ideas. We collect materials and things and approaches that we really

like that stand out.

And we often don't really know what to do with them

in that moment of time because you know,

you're buying vegetables or you're showering.

That's why I like the shower.

You know,

it's such good ideas in the shower because you're just standing

there thinking and we have to store these ideas away.

And I remember being in the barn and being surrounded by

so many materials that I had never seen before that I

didn't even know what they were even tools.

I'm like,

I don't know what this thing is.

What's this little pizza cutter.

I still don't know what that thing is in my desk.

And you just start storing concepts,

storing crafts and materials in my brain relatives.

And so when they say,

Hey, shed hack,

I immediately go,

okay, what has been sitting in my head that would go

inside, said shed.

So meanwhile,

that's like the brain Rolodex,

it's sort of this like pinup board.

And then there's the scrap pile.

And I remember being on the show and week after week,

I would walk past this section of the barn that was

just slowly accumulating,

really nice hardwoods,

really nice pieces of ripstop lots of embroidery hoops,

great canvas fabric,

really great durable canvas,

even some steel,

some like tube steel.

And I kept walking past this pile and I would turn

to my makers and be like,

guys, what's all this stuff.

I'm like,

oh, that's the scrap pile.

And like,

what? This is a scrap pile.

This is treasure.

What are you talking about?

Like, this is good stuff.

And I was like,

wait, what's the future of all this unloved set aside material.

So that's concluding topic,

number two,

scrap pile.

And so we're told,

Hey, make a shed,

make a space,

make your happy place.

And I immediately go,

oh my happy place.

This is about for the first time in this whole show,

we're being asked to create something for ourselves,

not somebody else.

And I go,

Ooh, what do I love?

I love primary colors.

I love the playfulness of red,

yellow, and blue.

And so I'm like,

okay, that's my palette.

So I first paint the walls.

I go,

okay, what else is my happy place?

The woods.

Okay. So it's got to feel woodsy.

I go,

okay, there's some beautiful Palm trees and trees surrounding the barn.

So I have to knock out these windows.

So I cut out these windows and I cut them out

above eye level.

So you only see the tree tops and the blue sky.

So when you look out the window,

it feels like you're much higher than you actually are.

And I go,

okay, I want it to be airy.

So let's create a porch.

Let's create,

I'm going to knock out a side door because I want

people to move through it.

Right. I don't want to dead end.

So you walk in and you turn around and walk out.

I want you to walk in from the side.

You can check it out.

You can go out on the porch and it creates this

nice flow.

And I remember filming Amy turns to me before they start

rolling the cameras.

And she goes,

oh my gosh,

Adam, we've never walked in on the side before.

I'm like,

what do you mean?

She goes,

we've never walked into the side of a shed.

They've all been from entry.

And that was fun for her to say.

So meanwhile,

the shed itself is starting to take shape.

And I start looking at these materials.

I'm like,

okay, what can I do?

Okay. I need a place to sit.

I need a couch.

I have this palette.

That's primary color.

Primary color goes really good with mid-century mid-century furniture and design

aesthetic. And I love Charles and Ray Eames.

So I'm like,

okay, what would they do?

What would Charles and Ray Eames do?

And so I made a fire pit.

I made it a little asymmetrical.

I made a huge bookshelf.

And again,

with this scrap fabric laying around,

instead of painting,

I just put fabric on the back of my bookshelf.

So it kind of looked like Mondrian.

I love monitory on the painter and it's just starts taking

shape. And the scrap pile like continues to grow as I

take from it at the same time.

And so I added trellis and I add this like fo

extruded wall.

And I keep finding these there's some bowls,

there's some shapes.

I have extra lamp cord and I just add lamps.

And it was just sort of this analog,

organic growth of like,

I kept finding things and they fit and it worked.

And that's,

what's fun about the MacGyver approach mixed with a little mid-century

is it's very simple.

It doesn't have to be elegant.

It doesn't have to be too detailed,

but the details that are there,

just make sure that they're thoughtful.

I don't know.

That's it It's really interesting because when we watched the show

and of course they can't put everything on air,

right. But you were made some comments on the show that

I understand much better just by your description.

Now, like one of the things you talked about is I

kept going back to the scrap pile.

Well, now I understand better what the scrap pile was.

But another thing you said is,

you know,

the doors that you put on your shed that you described

as kind of quilt,

it was actually out of wood,

right? Or that's maybe where you use the rounds,

the frames.

I'm not sure if that's what you use,

but you made the comment about the sun coming in.

You, you were saying,

I just could imagine at sunset,

the sun coming in and reflecting all those colors.

Now I'm understanding it better because you were taking the outside

into your shed as well.

Not it wasn't just the shed itself.

It was the extensions of what would happen with what you

made in the shed.

So I hadn't gotten that before.

So that was,

that's really interesting.

That's a total side personal note from me,

but would it be right to say that you didn't have

the finished product already imagined it continued to be created over

time based on how it started to evolve?

Yes, absolutely.

And you start with a feeling and you kind of build

it out.

And because the shed was so big,

it was really hard to fathom,

like every detail that would go into it.

But you start with the hero moments,

the door,

the couch,

the bookshelf,

the porch,

and you go,

okay, now I have moments.

What moment I want within the moment.

Right? Dream within a dream.

Once you get a closer look,

then what do you discover?

Okay. So I walked through the door,

what happens now?

And I found this lovely felt also there's beautiful felt in

the barn.

And so I made these really almost like Danish style,

like slippers.

It's really quick,

really quickly.

It just stepped on some cardboard.

I made it out of masking tape.

I made a masking tape slipper and then cut it in

half. And then that became my template,

which I traced on felt,

and then made a couple of pairs of little felon slippers.

I'm like,

Ooh, I want right feelings.

Like, okay,

hospitality, that's important.

Well, what makes you feel like a guest?

Oh, slippers a gift,

a gift when you walk in.

And so it was very organic and starting big and hour

after hour seeing,

okay, well what's next and working big to small was huge.

And I think this is a really big point too,

is you don't always need to know where you're going in

the end yet.

You can build it up along the way.

Yeah. We were talking about it for a creative challenge,

but I think that's important overall.

You don't always know how you're going to get there or

what it's going to look like in the eye and you

just know the direction you're trying to take.

Right. That's what I'm hearing from you and how your creative

vision built upon itself until you got to the end.

Right? I once met a writer.

I think I was sitting at a coffee shop and this

woman was writing notebook page after notebook page.

And I've always admired story and I would love to be

a writer,

but I've always,

I don't know.

I don't quite understand.

I'm learning.

It's interesting to me,

we're Always learning.

Right, right.

And I say,

Hey, what's the best piece of advice anybody ever gave you

when writing?

And she said,

write down everything,

you know,

to figure out what you don't.

And I loved that.

And that applies to what you're saying,

Sue with this shit,

right. Start with what you know,

okay. I know I want this and this and this.

Okay. Now that you've got that out of the way,

what's next and you don't need to know every single detail

to take that first step.

So well said,

spot on.

I'm just trying to get a little view into your creative

mind. And that's what I'm coming from listening to is you

don't have to know the whole thing.

It just new ideas are generated based on what you put

together to a point,

and then you just continue layering it on.

The other thing I was hearing from you is,

you know,

when you were talking about the slippers is you thought about

what the piece or the product or the element would be,

but you also thought about what emotion would that generate,

which adds a whole nother level to what the experience,

the atmosphere or the feeling that someone gets when they're looking

or interacting with whatever you make.

So I think that that's really significant and something worth all

of us thinking about when we're making something.

Yeah. That's fun.

I like how you said that,

what emotion start with the emotion and then work backwards.

You get a certain number of hours to complete different tasks.

Right? Right.

Do you always work up to the amount of time you

have allocated or is there ever a point let's say it's

like half an hour before and you're like,

Nope, this is perfect.

Where it is.

I'm going to leave it alone now.

Or do you use up all your time?

It's a mix.

Sometimes I would finish a little bit early one episode.

I finished my hammock chair a little bit early.

And so I ran over to help Chelsea with what she

was working on.

And that was rare.

That was rare that I finished early and sometimes I'm working

right up to the clock and sometimes I would add stretch

goals, what I'd like to call them.

It's where I go.

Okay. I know I need this in order to have a

successful day to feel accomplished.

I have to finish this,

but how cool would it be if I made this as

well? Right.

So like the slippers that was like,

no way did I need to put slippers in my shed,

but wouldn't it be cool if there was slippers?

And so I think that's where I would always add these

little bullet point footnotes to go,

okay. If I have time at this.

Cause that would be cool in short the answer.

Yes. I was always working up to the clock.

It's interesting how those ideas evolved as you were working in

completing something else.

I've kind of think,

you know how sometimes if you keep going,

it ruins,

like you're adding in more than you need for the impact.

And it actually reduces the impact.

Like if you just keep adding on and adding on and

adding on Yeah.

Knowing when to stop,

Knowing when to stop.

Yeah. And I think you said it depends.

Good point.

Great question.

The baseball portraits on episode one,

I was really tempted to paint the faces because I was

doing really good on time and I had the faces assembled,

but not yet glued in place.

And I looked at them and I was like,

are these too flat?

Are these too boring?

Does it look under cooked?

And I said,

no, no,

no, no.

I think it's good enough.

I think it's good enough.

Don't paint it.

Do not paint these faces.

I'm not a big painter.

And that was almost going against my own aesthetic or what

I would like.

And I was like,

no, no,

no, don't paint it.

Don't paint that finish early.

And just don't overdo it as you said,

no one to stop.

And so yeah,

there were times where you're like,

okay, I'm done.

I done walk away And total judgment call.

Right? Like you might've painted it.

And it turned out great.

But there's something to be said for leaving things to the

imagination too.

And you've just got to call it,

you decide one way or another.

So really,

really interesting.

So if we were to sum all this up,

Adam, what would you say overall about your experience now being

the master maker?

I learned to trust my gut.

You have these ideas go for it.

And as you said,

I would get in the way of my own creativity.

I'd get in the way of my own output and what

was most unexpected and most wonderful and value from this show

was realizing that my craft are so simple,

but they're more than enough.

And the comments I've gotten since the show has aired have

been so kind.

And so many people are saying,

Hey, this simplicity is great.

Or, Hey,

I understand this.

Or, Hey,

I resonate with what you're saying.

And so what I always thought wasn't enough.

People are saying,

oh, this feels great.

And I like it.

And thank you for being on that show to remind me

that this is good.

This works,

this style.

And this approach to crafting resonates with me.

And I'm inspired to create too,

which has been so great.

Well, your whole image,

like everything just feels so good about what you're doing as

a maker.

You know,

you've got your heart into it.

You're using things that you've grown up with that are important

to you in terms of the environment and all of that.

You don't have all of the professional tools at hand all

the time.

You're just counting on your gut and your skill and your

style and your personality and all of that.

Isn't just enough.

It's fabulous.

It's the best we each have that in ourselves.

And then we don't let it come out.

So you're a perfect example.

No one else can be you Adam,

but everyone else has to be themselves and being brave enough

to show that to the world like you did through the

making it show is I think a great message for us

to leave everybody with.

And you are the example.

So you are even now a double master maker.

How about that?

I love it.

Thank you.

Reminds me of that.

Is it Dr.

Seuss recess today?

You are you.

That is true.

That true.

There was no one alive,

more you are than you.

Beautiful. Absolutely.

And we all need to claim it because if we don't,

we're not allowing the world to see it.

And just like you were saying,

you know,

things that you're making,

make people happy,

give them certain feelings.

If we don't share what we have,

we're denying people of having those feelings that we're able to

offer. Yes.

I love that.

Thank you soon.

No, I'm Really serious about it too.

And that's why I'm so in love with the handmade community,

because everyone brings something different to the table.

It makes us feel good and makes us happy and is

fulfilling as a maker as well.

So it all comes full circle.

So Adam,

if people want to follow you or know a little bit

more about you after they've listened to the show here,

where would you send them online?

First Instagram,

most likely Instagram is where I'll be the most.

Up-to-date that's just Adam Kingman is my handle.

Just like it sounds okay.

K I N G M a N Adam Kingman.

That's also the same handle for my YouTube where I'm starting

to post drawing videos.

Cause I just want everybody to be excited to draw and

to overcome the fear of a blank piece of paper.

And I'd love to start uploading little maker tutorials on there

as well.

So YouTube Adam Kingman,

Instagram, Adam Kingman,

and my personal website.

If it's interesting,

that's the word?

A little bit more professional portfolio work.

That's just Adam kingman.com.

Beautiful fun links to explore and some personal,

I love directing short films and you'll find some other little

videos on there.

Wonderful. Well,

all of this information will be on the show notes page.

So if you're out and you weren't able to capture what

Adam just said,

make sure to just look at the show notes page.

We'll have all the links there.

And Adam,

I say,

we all rally behind your YouTube channel.

Is it up?

Now? There are a few videos up.

Now I have a handful of drawing videos and I'll keep

uploading. Okay.

So everybody go over to Adam's YouTube account and subscribe to

it so we can get his subscribership up.

Okay. That's when we can do for you,

for you sharing so much with us about the inside,

behind your maker world,

and really a lot of beautiful gems for us to understand

as makers of how we can trust in ourself and move

forward to great things.

Just like you've been doing Adam,

thank you so much for being with me today.

Of course.

Thank you.

This was wonderful.

Didn't you just fall in love with Adam from the second

he started talking so genuine endearing and likable.

He's also so humble and generous with his thoughts too.

I'm sure you're with me and hoping that his dream of

being a Disney Imagineer comes true.

That'll give us more chances to see his creativity at work

up next week.

I'll be sharing with you a resource which can take the

complexity of doing all the things off your to-do list.

They still get done,

just not by you tune in next Saturday to hear more

about that and as always,

thanks so much for spending time with me today.

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