047 – Gossip, Forgiveness and Growth with Dr. Shawne Duperon

Gift biz unwrapped episode 47.

I think anchor is such a beautiful expression.

We just never learned how to appropriately share it or deal

with it.

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I am so honored to have Dr.

Sean duper on spending time with us today from London to

Athens, to Munich,

to across North America,

Dr. Sean duper on a six time Emmy award winner and

nominated Nobel peace prize nominee is a good gossip researcher.

She travels the globe,

educating corporations,

entrepreneurs, universities,

and government agencies on what inspires people to share good things

and how to powerfully lead with compassion.

Her case study is project forgive a nonprofit leadership foundation that

reaches millions in social media.

You've seen her featured in major media,

including CNN,

ABC, Inc magazine and USA today.

To name a few this PhD in gossip.

And yes,

I did say gossip used gossip theory to make project forgives

five minute video,

go viral,

even capturing an endorsement from Archbishop Desmond Tutu.

Welcome to the show,

Shawn, over and above your intro.

I'd like to learn a little bit more about you through

our podcasts,

traditional, albeit a little bit different approach.

If you were to describe a motivational candle that portrays your

personality and your passion,

what would it look like?

In other words,

what color would you gravitate to?

And what is your favorite quote?

So the nomination for Nobel peace prize is new.

So that's a learning how to step into that kind of

energy. And it's a very beautiful thing.

So before that last week,

I would have definitely said pink because I love pink.

The transitions that have happened even in the last week,

I would say gold,

gold, like this deep burnt kind of yellow gold would be

my motivational color in a candle.

And my favorite quote is mine.

I know it sounds so self-serving and for me,

forgiveness is the ultimate of everything in life.

And my favorite quote is mine that I share a lot

in project forgive and it's called accept the apology.

You'll never receive,

which to me is the epitome of maturity and leadership.

Ooh, I think we're going to probably be getting into that

as we continue on with our chat.

So maybe we'll just let that sit right where it is

for now.

And we'll get back into that again,

as we talk about project forgive,

how does that sound?

All right.

So I have to tell you when we read all the

information and we hear your intro,

one word absolutely pops out and that is that word gossip,

right? And gossip kind of,

you think like,

Oh, you know that person who is always the gossiper and

all of that,

and I know you have a real different approach and definition

of what gossip really means.

So can you That all with us,

you know,

when I was a master's student cause mass communication,

I worked in media for a long time and worked in

newsrooms. I had a professor say to me,

Sean, have you ever considered the conversation of gossip?

There's like a hundred researchers that are very delicately connected into

this topic,

and it's not what you think.

So I went,

did some research and I was so inspired by the topic

that I actually chose it to be my expertise as a

PhD student.

And you're right.

When you think gossip,

you think mean and nasty,

but that's not what the research shows at all that mean

nasty stuff is only about five to 7% were actually really

good people and good gossip or word of mouth is the

best way to grow your business.

Especially if you're just starting out,

you know,

in the gift wrapping or you're baking or grafting,

whatever it is that you're doing,

when people love what you're doing and they start talking about

it in such a powerful,

beautiful way,

that's really how your business grows.

So how has gossip different than referrals and getting word of

mouth pass along information?

I call it authenticity because in good gossip,

people become raving fans.

They get so excited by what you're doing.

Like I do a bootcamp.

I very rarely advertise it.

If at all,

I sell out every year because people that go,

they have such a beautiful,

authentic heart-centered experience.

They see media so differently and their experience is so exquisite

when they share it with somebody,

they're not just saying,

Oh, you want to learn about media,

go to Sean's media mastery bootcamp.

They say,

no. They say,

Oh my goodness,

you got to go to bootcamp.

Even if media is not on your purview,

it's a class about fear.

It's not what you expect at all.

You will get so much comfort in your skin.

That discomfort will go away.

You'll be doing things you never thought you'd be doing all

my gosh.

That is a must take class.

Now that good gossip right there with authenticity and passion and

excitement, you build a tribe because it's authentic and it's loving

and they cannot not share about you.

That's very different to me than an actual referral.

So when you're talking about authenticity,

you're talking about heartfelt,

wanting to really help somebody out and sharing information,

whether it's a story or a resource or something like that,

but truly from the heart,

for the wellbeing of the recipient.

Yeah. It's like,

go see star Wars.

Oh my gosh.

I'm not even a star Wars fan.

I loved it.

Like I seen movie one and movie three,

my grandkids love it.

I am not a star Wars fan.

And I saw it.

And it's really impactful when I say,

you know,

and especially my girlfriends that aren't star Wars fans.

I'm like,

go see it.

You're going to be so touched it's so well-written it's well

done. I can see how the genres working that it's heartfelt

would be one piece of it.

It'd just be like straight talk.

Now you're straight talking.

Girlfriend friend says,

Oh my gosh,

you got to buy that laundry soap.

Cause it actually does what it says.

It's going to do.

It gets rid of rust stains.

And you believe your friend cause you love and trust them.

Of course you do.

You're absolutely right.

And so how does that fear element play a role?

Well, fear stops us from doing everything and it's usually unconscious.

Like we sabotage ourselves,

we get busy doing stuff that we think we're being productive,

but we're not actually making sales calls a lot of times

when I'm coaching,

because I coach a lot on communication and marketing and social

media media.

And there's some,

sometimes my clients are really struggling with cashflow.

They're busy doing marketing,

which is important.

Don't get me wrong,

but they stay away from the actual sales calls because they

might fail.

You're going to get the nos.

You get lots of nos.

For instance,

if you're getting business right now and you have a couple

of rating fans that love you,

a sales call would be calling them up saying,

Hey Jessica,

I know you love what we did for your employees.

Do you have a couple of people that you'd be comfortable

introducing me to because you know that they need this kind

of service.

This makes such a difference for me.

If you can share some really good things about what we're

doing and would you be willing to do that?

That takes fricking guts.

That's different than putting a tweet out and try to get

your social media going.

Because so many of us,

especially when we're starting our businesses,

we're trying to do social media.

We're trying to do cash flow.

We're trying to figure out what CRM to buy.

We're trying to figure out what podcasts to listen to you.

We get overwhelmed.

The bottom line comes to facing fear and courage because the

bottom line is,

if you don't have cashflow,

you don't have a business.

Absolutely. There's two things that I would reinforce here for our

listeners. Number one is the fear you need to get over

that fear because you're not going to be able to take

action. You're just going to be stagnant and do like what

Sean is just talking about.

You'll just do things that are easy.

They seem like they're taking a lot of time and you're

doing something for your business,

but you're really not moving your business forward.

The other thing is asking people need to be directed on

what to do next,

as Sean's talking about in terms of testimonials or referring somebody,

people are more than willing to do it.

But most of the time,

they're not going to offer it up.

You have to ask for it first,

I'm going to make a broad statement.

I would guess that those of you listening,

if you're a gift wrapping,

if you're do crafts or if you're baking,

you're a very creative soul.

And a lot of times you're empathic or you feel a

lot of things because you can feel what people like.

So it does hurt your feelings when you get to know,

and it's even scarier to take risks.

And I just want to say that I am terrified a

lot. I had to do something terrifying last week,

based upon my goals,

I have a client they're called Stardock.

They're a video game company.

They're deeply connected with Microsoft.

Microsoft is on my vision board.

I want to do global training for Microsoft and go in

and do communication leadership,

presentation skills,

forgiveness as a business tool in that realm of communication and

leadership. And it took some courage.

And I said to Chris,

he's my client.

I says,

crest, there's something you can do for me.

And he said,

what? I said,

one of my dreams and it's on my vision board is

to work with Microsoft.

I want to be one of their that they love and

adore and let me infiltrate their company to really cause productivity,

excitement, and loyalty within their workforce.

And I know you have a contact in the digital realm

of Microsoft.

I'm wondering if you'd feel comfortable to recommend me.

His answer was,

are you kidding me?

Oh my gosh,

send me the email you want send me the material.

I know the person who's so awesome.

He doesn't necessarily hire trainers,

but he would know who to send you to.

And if I recommend you,

it's a done deal,

something will happen.

I don't know if you'll get a yes,

but I know something will happen.

I was scared to ask Chris to do that.

I was scared and it's okay to be scared.

People that do amazing things,

especially creative.

That's why I was so attracted to you.

So is I know you attract really creative,

loving kind people.

This to me is the ultimate in a podcast being with

loving, gracious,

beautiful people.

Oh, well thank you for that.

I do have to say,

I love the story that you just shared because it's somewhat

comforting to hear someone like you still gets nervous and still

has to reach beyond their comfort zone.

I talk about this all the time.

The magic happens outside your comfort zone,

but the fear of stepping out of that zone,

it's so nerve wracking and you just have to prepare as

much as you can and then just do it and look

what happened.

How exciting is that for you?

And then you have this relief like,

Oh my gosh,

I'm so glad I did that.

Absolutely. And you know,

the mantra for me is dancing and being comfortable with being

uncomfortable, like actually becoming masterful at allowing yourself to be uncomfortable.

And I call it farting.

That's what it's like.

If you can stand the smart,

I know it's like politically incorrect or whatever,

but I love this analogy because it works.

You're at the mall or whatever someone's farts and you're walking.

You're like,

Oh gosh,

you know,

and after three seconds you walk through the fart and it's

not that deep.

And when you're making an ask or you're being really uncomfortable,

it's like a fart.

And of course some parts last longer than others.

I get it.

You know,

you know,

maybe doing that presentation to a corporation to get a larger

account for me,

it's media interviewing your four minutes on air and it's four

minutes of farting is what I call it.

It's like a fart to stop you from your dreams because

all's, it is,

is a far and getting really comfortable with the smelliness and

the messiness of it.

It's not that friggen deed.

Do you remember that?

You guys,

when we're facing something that we are uncomfortable with,

let's just remember Sean's words.

It's just like a fart.

It works Hearing this repeated.

When I go out to trade shows and such just to

wait and see,

alright, you guys,

so gossip,

gossip is good for your business.

You want it to be authentic.

You want it to be exciting,

just like you're talking to your girlfriend.

That's how you want your clients to be talking about you.

I want to move on Sean now into what I know

is very passionate for you.

And this is the whole project forgive to nonprofit.

And I'd love for you to just,

you know,

start and tell our listeners what the base of it is.

And if you're willing to share the story,

because I think it really will let everyone understand how deeply

passionate you are about this project.

Absolutely. The story is,

and we have the little video went viral.

You can see it on our website.

And our new website is about to launch.

It's exciting.

I did a little video of a friend of mine.

His name is Gary,

his wife and his two children were killed by a drunk

driver. My children babysat those children.

Judy was my husband's business coach.

It was a horrible,

horrible day.

When we got the news that this family was killed.

And Gary wasn't in the car at the time,

then I get another call.

Later that day,

informing me that the man who killed them,

his name is Tom is also another dear family friend.

Every time I share this on whether it's a podcast or

CNN or whatever,

I get goose pimples because I knew in that moment,

both these families were amazing.

No, that,

and that me being at the crux of that intersection of

knowing both families and knowing about this conversation of forgiveness,

knew that I had to do something.

I never had any inkling to start a nonprofit,

never had any desire for any of what's happened.

We're reaching millions in social media.

I'm talking about forgiveness.

Although I do a lot,

a lot of that in my marketing strategy business,

because I'm all about taking a risk.

And how quickly can you forgive yourself when you screw up?

Because you know,

in that farting realm,

you're going to make a lot of fricking mistakes you just

are. And the game is,

can you grieve your losses?

So you don't keep making the same mistakes.

Cause I believe we keep making the same mistakes over and

over until we get the lesson,

right? So when it was,

this video goes viral and it's,

I don't even have words for,

at this point,

we've had Naomi Judd get involved,

Archbishop Desmond choo to endorse us.

Now we're actually making a movie start off as a five

minute trailer.

The movie is going to air this year.

We're actually waiting for some legal stuff that's almost complete.

And I'll be able to share more about the date.

You can go on Facebook and get our updates and see

what's going on there.

The community there is so exquisite and we decided to start

a leadership foundation because we're seeing that with all these corporations

that I personally work with,

conversations of compassion and forgiveness,

integrity, diversity are missing incorporations.

And it's the people that work at corporations that are actually

are the corporation and they are explicitly yearning for these leadership

trainings. So that's what we decided to do.

And when the movie comes out,

our goal right now is to make it free.

I think we're going to be able to do it.

That's why I'm not announcing and really make it break.

If you're inspired to donate to us,

you can,

everybody in the organization are volunteers.

And at some point I'm sure we'll be hiring an executive

director to get it moving forward.

Cause I'm so busy and all my good gossip stuff and

love that conversation of forgiveness that I really appreciate you asking

about it because it really is a beautiful,

beautiful conversation.

It certainly is.

Can you talk a little bit more about this?

Like where was the bridge of,

alright, this horrible situation happened.

You're here in the middle of all of this,

which I'm sure very conflicting emotions.

How did you make that leap or that decision or where

was the light bulb that came on that said the world

needs this.

I'm going to make this into a nonprofit organization or just

to do the video.

Where was that transition?

As soon as I found out that Tom was the one

that killed Judy and Sammy and Alex,

I knew this was going to be a video.

I didn't know it was going to be,

I thought maybe a documentary,

most people that hang out with me or go through my

transmitter, I'm very open about this.

I'm an incest survivor.

And I share that very openly.

I'm a,

at this point,

man, I'm a 51 year old grandmother now and I've done

a lot of work,

a lot of tears,

a lot of shifting around the conversation of being molested.

And I'm even at the point that this is not endorsing

molestation, believe me.

And I'm at the point where I can say it's one

of the best things that's ever happened to me being an

exquisite, compassionate,

loving person.

And sometimes things happen to us.

And I like to say things happen for us for our

growth. And I wouldn't trade my past for nothing.

What I wish molestation on anyone.

No, of course not.

And what happened to me is what happened to me.

It's my job to embrace it,

grieve it,

be angry about it,

except it find solutions and actually become the most exquisite person

I can become.

So when I did find out that it was Tom that

killed them and I know Gary so deeply,

I knew this man was going on a horrendous journey and

I knew he would forgive Tom.

I knew he would.

I know Gary.

So indelibly that's exactly what happened and knew that was inevitable

for who these families are.

Both families are just amazing,

beautiful souls who like are in that philosophy.

Although I don't know if they use the words,

Oh, it didn't happen to me.

It happened for me there in that philosophy because you have,

when you meet people,

you can tell when people get mad and blame others and

stay in that very bitter angry place,

there's a genre people that stay there.

And then there's those that are growing and loving and evolving

that look for the lessons and all the things that happen

for us.

And when I heard it was Tom,

I knew something big was about to happen here.

It was an evolution to create the foundation.

And that happened over a series of time.

As soon as we started reaching millions in social media,

I mean,

we didn't reach millions right away,

but the social media growth happened quite quickly using gossip.

There is able to do that.

That's why I teach a lot of social media how to

do it.

So it was inevitable.

Wow. Two powerful stories for sure.

And I know that there are a lot of people out

there who are hurting just like that.

And you don't necessarily know when you meet people,

you don't know what their backgrounds are or what they've been

challenged with.

And I totally agree with you,

Sean. I mean,

there's people who will just use that as the excuse.

And I don't mean to say it not genuinely or,

or with passion or anything.

Cause I know they're hurting,

but that'll be the excuse not to move forward.

And then there are other people who will take it and

they'll have to deal with it.

And does it make it right?

No, for sure not,

but you still have a whole life to live,

you know?

And are you just going to let that then affect the

rest of your time here on earth?

Hopefully not.

Is that the type of thing that project forgive gets into?

Well, you know,

it's so funny because there's so many forgiveness organizations in the

world, there's some beautiful ones,

project forgiveness out of the UK.

They look at restorative justice and like atrocities like genocide and

people forgiving people for murdering their families.

There are many organizations what project forgive focuses on is we

focus on you and your own personal journey because if you're

in a lot of pain and you lost your job and

you got breast cancer,

it's really hard to care about what's going on in Syria.

Okay. Right.

It is.

It's really difficult.

So we focus on that personal professional development growth of you

internally. So you can face your stuff and move forward and

say, because even part of the forgiveness process is being able

to speak your truth.

You know,

like if you're mad or you know,

there's so many issues around anger,

that's one of the biggest things we discovered while we're filming

project. We interviewed these little kids,

you'll see it,

the viral video.

And we asked them,

you know,

what is forgiveness?

And they're so cute.

It's like when you see a bunch of stories or when

you don't hate anyone,

it's so cute.

And then we also asked him,

what about anger?

These are all four year olds.

Every single one of them,

there were 24 of them that said anger was bad.

And I thought,

dang is that interesting?

Because the stages of forgiveness include shock,

anger, grief,

solution, and peace.

And people get stuck in anger because they don't feel it.

And we usually equate anger with violence.

You know,

mothers against drunk drivers.

They got good and mad for a long time.

Look what they caused.

Anger is a very good,

powerful emotion.

It can be misused,

don't get me wrong.

We need a lot of education around what anger means,

because if you're angry,

you're not feeling it or expressing it.

That's when you eat six Reese's peanut butter cups instead of

sharing what you're upset about.

Or that's when you work 20 hours a day,

because you're so committed to proving yourself.

I'm sure there's many people listening that work way too many

hours. It's a worthiness issue.

And a lot of times what I'm noticing doing this documentary

is it's because we haven't faced and embraced and accepted our

anger. I think anger is such a beautiful expression of,

we just never learned how to appropriately share it or deal

with it.

Those are some words for thought,

honestly. And I know for sure,

because I know a lot of our listeners because a lot

of them are customers of,

of my business.

And I know that what you're saying is true.

Absolutely. And we're talking here about more deep rooted anger.

What do you think about now?

You know,

many of the people listening are business people and they've had

issues where I think they've become angry in their business.

Not as deep as the issues now you're talking about,

but let's say an employee stole from them or a customer

bashed them on social media or things like that.

That produced a lot of anger.

Are there any suggestions about how to deal with that type

of a situation?

This is a perfect segue.

So cause it's going to take us back to the quote

that we started with at the top of the show,

accepting the apology.

I'll never receive one of the activities that we do in

a lot of our leadership trainings is this notion of accepting

the apology you'll never receive.

So that employee that stole from you,

chances are pretty good.

They're not going to say,

Oh, I am so sorry.

I stole from you.

I'm I know I betrayed your trust and I'm going to

give you that a hundred thousand dollars back.

I'm going to do whatever it takes to make it up

to you.

And I'm so sorry,

did that,

or the person who bashes you on social media.

Oh Sue.

I'm so sorry that I bashed you and said you were

the B word and social media.

I really didn't meet it.

I was having such a horrible day.

You know how you do stupid stuff.

Sometimes I'm going to go back and retract it and fix

it and blah,

blah, blah,

blah, blah.

The odds of those happening are smaller.

And so the practice for you,

cause this is about you.

Forgiveness is about you getting through anger is about you.

I actually go in my mind's eye when I'm offended.

And I actually pretend that they apologize to me.

So what I can do is go through the process of

accepting the apology you never receive.

Can I give you an example of my neighbor?

Absolutely. Yeah.

So I hear this neighbor and I'm still talking Because I'm,

haven't mastered.

I'm going to call him Bob it's okay.

Go out to the mailbox.

This is right next door to me.

I'll go out to the mailbox and he'll go And I'll

look at them.

I can already feel my eyes rolling in the skin,

my skin crawling,

going up my legs.

And I'll say,

I know about,

but it's not morning.

It's 6:00 PM.

You know?

Cause it's at night and he's telling me good morning,

You know,

say, I know,

but you look like you just got up.

He does not say that.

And that's just one example of a couple million.

Oh my gosh.

Needless to say,

he's one of those people Because I see him.

I'm just already,

Oh, shoot me in the fricking head.

Okay. So,

but the thing is in this game of what are you

broadcasting? Cause that's my mantra in business.

What are you broadcasting?

What's a signal you give off.

Whether you're posting on social media,

whether you're meeting with a client,

whether you're creating marketing materials,

what's that signal you're giving off.

And even though it's just Bob,

this guy,

his, what he gets from me is that I'm an angry,

annoyed woman.

That's pretty much how I respond with them.

And that doesn't sit well with me because I'm pretty fun,

loving. I'm pretty straight.

I've got a really snarky sense of humor.

I'm really nice.

And I'm very soft-spoken sometimes.

And I'm very emotional,

angry person is,

is not how most people would describe me.

But with,

with Bob,

I can see how he would see that.

So I'm like,

okay, what can I do so I can shift me.

So I am not this raving be with him.

You know,

that's where accept the apology.

You'll never receive.

Came from.

I started practicing.

This has been going on for two years now.

Okay. I started practicing when I saw him that in my

mind's eye that he was apologizing and he was saying,

Sean, I am so socially awkward.

You've got to know by now.

This is like,

if he could apologize,

this is what been saying.

You got to know by now that I grew up in

a very dysfunctional family system,

it wasn't neglected deeply.

And I'm so awkward.

Not only with you with the entire neighborhood,

I'm ostracized by the neighborhood.

And the truth is I really just want people to love

me and I don't know how to do that.

And so I see these weird,

awkward come out of my mouth.

As soon as I Sam,

I feel so stupid.

And then I wonder why people don't want to connect with

me. And all the truth is I just want to connect

with you.

Now. You notice when I say this apology,

because I've done this a lot.

So I soften,

I shift,

I am no longer that angry,

mean judgemental,

annoyed woman with him.

I've shifted who I'm being and there's differences have been made.

Is it perfect with them?

No. Cause I'm never going to change them where I have

power is changing me and shifting me on a dime.

That's where I want my power.

That's why I think forgiveness is a skill and why I

think mother Teresa called it as an act of way of

being. I want to be that notion of forgiving person and

people get weird with that.

They think,

Oh, you're going to be a doormat.

No, that's just bull crap.

No, it's not about being a doormat.

It's about being powerful leadership,

compassion in your own suiting,

who you want to be in the world and not only

who you want to be,

you're actually being it.

And that's the advice I would give to folks.

Who've had some really hard things happen.

It's a good place to start.

Of course I would tell you to go to project forgiven

Facebook because we're given all kinds of videos and tips all

the time and how,

just how to get through life's crap sometimes.

But it's a great reminder and it's a great reminder in

skillset and a tool to help you in those hard moments

when you just want to kill people.

Yeah. Honestly,

I love your statement.

Forgiveness is about you and you know,

sharing that story about visualization.

I mean,

I'm starting to feel sorry for your neighbor,

just by the story that you're telling yourself.

I agree with you.

The only actions that we can really change are our own

actions. And at the end of the day,

when you go home,

you want to be proud of everything that you've done in

the way you've presented yourself to the world,

regardless of how people are responding to you or what they're

doing to you.

So this is a wonderful example of a way to do

that. Whether the story is true or not,

who knows,

but you never know what other stuff people are dealing with.

You know,

who are we to judge someone,

what someone else is doing?

It gives me peace and has me calm down and be

my loving,

confident, powerful leadership.

And then you feel better about yourself because I'm sure if

you were acting snarky,

you wouldn't be real happy with yourself either when you walk

back in the house,

Nope. That doesn't work either that or just don't ever go

get your mail anymore.

Well, listen,

Ms. Shawn has mentioned the Facebook page.

She's mentioning the documentary.

That's going to be coming out.

I know we can't get any more information on that right

now, but when it is available,

you guys are going to drop everything into the show notes.

So you'll have all the links to project,

forgive Facebook pages,

all these different things,

where you can learn more about what Sean is up to.

And I encourage you guys to go and take a look.

You'll find a wealth of information there.

In preparation for this interview,

went through a lot of the other interviews.

She's done looked at some of the things that she's putting

out. Some of them are free.

There's a really,

really good download that you guys can get about how to

look right in an interview when you're being actually videoed.

So great one for you guys to go grab.

I'll have all those links over on the show notes page

for you.

All right,

John, we are ending up now with my favorite part of

the interview.

You've shared so,

so much great information.

This one is for you.

I'd like to present you with a virtual gift.

It's a magical box containing unlimited possibilities for your future.

This is your dream or your goal of almost unreachable Heights

that you would wish to obtain.

Please accept this gift and open it in our presence.

What is inside your virtual box?

You know what it's a word and the word that you

even used in what you were saying.

Cause my word for this year is unlimited and slash limitless.

And what I've discovered is that at this phase of my

life, I can't even focus on what I want because it's

not even,

it doesn't even touch what can actually happen.

So I'm playing the game of limitless and it touches my

heart to say it because I'm so open to whatever the

universe, God,

Allah, Buddha,

goddesses, native Americans,

whatever they have to share with me because I'm in dream

come true mode.

And I don't sometimes I don't even think it can get

even better than what it is.

And I want to say pinch me.

So the word limitless is my word.

And that is the gift you're giving me today.

Well, limitless that's fabulous gift biz listeners.

I know that you will join me in wishing Shawn,

all the success with the Nobel peace prize nomination.

And we'll all be watching out for that.

And again,

I appreciate all the information that you've shared.

You've given us a couple of different ways to look at

our businesses and to interact with people.

Then I don't think we've shared on the podcast before.

So that's really,

really helpful to us.

Thank you for your time today.

I really enjoyed our chat and Sean,

may your candle always burned bright.

Thank you so much.

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